Women Don't Lie, Men Don't Listen Archive 2003   Menstuff® has compiled information and books on the issue of Relationships. This section is the 2002 Archive of DocLove's weekly column featured daily on our homepage. Doc Love is a talk show host, entertainment speaker, and coaches men in his seminars. For the past 30 years he has asked thousands of women, "Why do you stay with one man versus another?" He is the author of the Master Series, available at www.doclove.com Archive 2004, 2003b, 2002a, 2002b, 2001, 2000. DocLove will answer all of your romantic love questions from a man’s perspective. So set your ego aside, learn to laugh at yourself, and visit www.doclove.com or e-mail me at doclove@doclove.com or call me at 800.404.2644 and I will give you a snappy answer to your silly love question – one loaded with truth. You do what I say, and Miss Right will rob banks for you. When I get done with you, you will need more security than Julio Iglesias. However, to protect the guilty, I promise to not use your real name, or give it out. All questions will be answered, but only the ones of general interest printed. Please be specific and don’t ramble. Am I Being Too Much of a Challenge? Are Some Women Hypocrites in the Dating Game? Are You Addicted to Rejection? Broken Date Excuses: How do You Know if She's Being Honest Can You Ever Pressure a Woman into Loving You? Dating Tips for Divorced Dads Do Men Like Women Who Take the Initiative? Don't Let Her "Dis" you Do Only Women Test? Do Some Women Talk Out of Both Sides of Their Mouths? Is the American Woman Brainwashed? My Date has Histronic/Narcissistic Personality Disorder! One Powerful Technique for Overcoming the Fear of Rejection Players Aren't All Bad The Secial Dating Challenges of Divorced Guys Should You Ever Give a Woman Everything She Wants? Special Classroom Dating Strategies Star Wimps: Is Director George Lucas Training Youn Men to be Wussies Top Ten Questions to Ask Your Date The Top Rated Places to Meet Women What are the Top 5 "First Date" Blunders that Men Make? What Do I Say After She Turns Me Down? When do you Not Wait a Week to Call? Why Does She Always Bring Her Kid on the Date? Why would any Woman Choose a "Doughboy" over Mr. Buff? Women Who Use Men Other Relationship Issues, Books Can You Ever Pressure a Woman into Loving You? Dear Doc Love, I wanted to tell you that you have yet another woman in your corner. Your advice is great. At first I was put off by the somewhat negative tone. It seemed rather combative, but now I can appreciate your directness and humor. I have referred several of my guy friends to your articles. A few have even purchased “The System.” I am writing to you because I wanted to say that the problem of "needy men" needs more discussion. I don't think that guys are getting the picture. No man wants to admit he is needy, especially if he has a very macho profession, so he dismisses the problem as not being relevant to him. I just broke off a year-long relationship with a highly decorated former Navy SEAL because he was simply too needy and insecure. We met via a matchmaking service on the Internet. We spent several months talking on the phone and e-mailing before we met in person. (We live very far away from each other.) I ignored a few obvious "red flags" in the beginning. He told me that he loved me and thought we were soul mates before we ever met in person. We talked on the phone every day for hours upon hours. At first I found this to be really romantic. I loved it. My friends warned me that this was largely fantasy, but I really wanted to believe that I had finally found "the one." Several weeks later, when we finally met in person, it was very difficult for me to fuse the "fantasy phone man" with the real person in front of me. He expected a grand romance, an instant physical connection. I was just getting used to the reality that there was this stranger in front of me that I knew only by phone. I was only somewhat attracted to him physically, but I liked him so much over the phone that I hoped he would grow on me. He immediately sensed that I was pulling back. Rather than let me process this new dynamic, he hounded me for daily affirmations of my love for him. He would pout if I did not sound totally enthusiastic to hear from him after his 5th telephone call in one day. I told him that I felt that we were going too fast and that I needed time for my feelings to catch up. He didn't understand that I could love him as a person (based upon our hundreds of phone hours), but not feel "in love" yet. I tried to help him understand. I sent him links to your articles...to get some clues about the negative effects of saying "I love you" too much and being too needy. That backfired big time. He just got offended and more hurt. We visited each other every other month. Each time I tried my best to fall in love with him...but something was missing. He would talk excitedly about marriage and children with me and I would try to share that vision, but I just didn't feel it. Finally I could not take it any more and broke up with him. He told me that I ruined his life and that I am a horrible person for having led him on. He then continued to call me every day, begging to get back together. He sent pleading e-mails to my family. He sent gifts. He then said that if he couldn't be my boyfriend that he wanted to still be my best friend and talk to me every day. He then accused me of not wanting a "nice guy" and that I must really want a jerk. That is so untrue. I gave him the benefit of the doubt so many times because I liked the fact that he was nice. But his "niceness" turned into desperation. Ugh. I finally had to block him. I feel like I hung in there much longer than most women would. I really gave him my best shot. What else could I have done? Lucida – who would love to hear your thoughts, Doc Hi Lucinda, Great letter. Thank you. You’ve brought to light something very important. A guy can be as tough as a tank on the outside and still be a lost little whimpering boy on the inside. Think of the strength, the discipline, the stamina and the endurance required of a man to become a Navy Seal. It’s extraordinary. I mean you have to be one tough, almost superhuman mofo to make it. Only a very, very small percentage of men have what it takes. Most of us guys wouldn’t get past the first orientation meeting. More than half of those who even get to try to become a Seal, scrub out before they make the grade. So here’s a guy with all that strength and all those survival and combat skills and he’s completely lost and useless when it comes to courtship. He’s a winner on the battlefield but a total loser in love. But just as he was able to become an extremely competent, highly skilled soldier by undergoing proper training, so too can he become equally successful in love. There is one place where men can come for the intensive training in deportment and courtship skills necessary to gain mastery in love relationships. That place is known as “Doc Love’s Boot Camp for seekers of truth – leave your ego at the door.” Bless you, Lucinda, for your kind and courageous gesture of trying to acquaint this guy with “The System.” Unfortunately, it seems, at least for now, that he’s not ready to change. He’s un-coachable. He had the ball in his hand but he fumbled it, on purpose! My bible totin’ Uncle Jethro Love would say, Lucinda, that you were “Casting your pearls before swine.” But let’s not be too harsh on him. He may redeem himself someday. Never say never. Still, I must point out that this dude was really blowing it with you from the get-go. Before he had even met you in person he was telling you he loved you and was declaring you to be his soul mate. Geesh! He was in such a rush to seal the deal I’m surprised he didn’t propose marriage over the phone as well. Why wait? And of course, as all serious students of “The System” can see, he was spending way, way, way too much time on the phone talking with you. He was about as much of a Challenge as a tennis match with a four-year-old. Lucinda, you could have avoided this disaster if you had listened to your own inner womanly wisdom that was speaking to you. Be honest with yourself. When Mr. War Hero raised those red flags that you mentioned, you knew right then and there, in your heart of hearts that this puppy wasn’t going to fly. You were in love with the idea of being in love but not with the man himself. You should have cut him loose while your relationship with him was merely telephonic. Instead you drew it out; and things, as you might have expected if you were being objective, got ugly. I could end the analysis of this fiasco right here, but for the sake of decency, I have to berate this guy about one other thing. He deserves it. First he’s so cloying and obnoxious that he leaves you no alternative but to break up with him. Then he accuses you of ruining his life and hounds you with phone calls begging you to get back together with him?! He even sends pleading e-mails to your family! Classless moron! He’s truly a lost soul. You can bet, as sure as Jimmy Dean loves pork sausage, that this loser will be repeating the same mistakes with his next love interest. Let’s all pray for him. (I’m serious.) Next time around, Lucinda, be true to your inner wisdom and weed out the needy boys before you get involved with another one of them. Remember, guys: neediness is unmanly. Women Who Use Men Hi, Doc I was out on a date recently and during the course of our conversation, my date (who was very attractive) mentioned that she has a lot of “friends” and that she “doesn't need a relationship.” I just kept smiling, nodded my head and said, "Oh yeah, tell me more". She proceeded to tell me that she has various male friends that do things for her and that the car she's driving now was a "gift" and so forth. I was able (thanks to your coaching) to translate her “Womanese” into the fact that she has a small army of wimpy guys for "friends" that she only keeps as her "friends" because they can either: 1) Do something for her. 2) Buy something for her. 3) Take her out somewhere. I just want to say, Doc, that had it not been for “The System,” I probably would've joined her group of "friends," never gotten her respect and would have nothing but an empty wallet to show for it. (She actually called me a few days later with a seductive damsel in distress tone to her voice, asking me to help her with something. I took a pass.) Please share this with your readers. I want to help you help as many guys as possible to not get sucked into this loser’s game. Thanks a million!! Duncan – who would like to hear your comments on this Thanks Duncan, Although you almost never hear about it in the mainstream media, all you guys should be aware that there is a significant percentage of women out there who have no ethical conflict whatsoever with the idea of using men for favors while motivating them with false hopes of intimacy. To you Psych majors, don’t expect to see a show about this on Oprah. But let me make some distinctions here. There are different types of women who use men. Two of the most common are: Ovaria Mercenaria – The Mercenary and her cousin, The Queen Bee. The Mercenary differs from the Queen Bee in that once she has picked out as her mark, a man who will provide her with enhanced social status, unlimited financial resources, and a life of leisure, she will then give her body to him as her part of the bargain – but NOT her heart. She must, however, convince her victim that she has fallen in love with him. That’s a crucial part of the con. What distinguishes The Mercenary from The Queen Bee, is that there is, no matter how hollow and meaningless it may be, some tangible form of reciprocity given for the goodies that she gets. She does get intimate with her victim. (Although once a contract has been signed, i.e., marriage, the frequency of the intimacy often diminishes substantially.) The Queen Bee, on the other hand, who is the subject of today’s article, usually has a collection of several different men who provide her with goods and services and to whom she never gives more than a peck on the cheek. Her guy pals get to be her butler, banker and/or Mr. Fixit, but none of them ever gets to have a real relationship with her. This tempestuous temptress plays dumb and acts as if she has no idea that the various guys in her orbit are attracted to her and are waiting and hoping that she will choose them to be her boyfriend. If she’s ever asked about her relationship with one of them, she’ll say, “Oh, he’s a really great friend.” When translated into English from Womanese this means: “He’s one of my stooges.” The sick thing is that this is all perfectly fine with Ms. “Me.” As far as she’s concerned, they’re all lucky to be able to spend time with her, and they deserve to pay for the privilege. They give. She takes. That’s the relationship. She keeps ‘em comin’ back for more by being as warm and sweet as sun drenched honey on the outside. But her heart is as cold as a week old cadaver. One could argue, that these guys who follow her bidding like indentured servants deserve what they get (or to be more precise – what they don’t get). But as my Cousin Sal, “The Fish” Love, would say, “In the game of Love, there are no victims, only volunteers.” The problem is that these fellows have allowed themselves to be hypnotized into believing that their investment in time, money and energy is winning them points and helping to build the Queen Bee’s romantic Interest Level in them. But the opposite is true. The more hoops these guys jump through, the more the Q.B. chuckles with contempt for them. (Some of them wake up and save themselves from more abuse after only a few months of servitude. Others go on for years in a state of ignorance and denial like living zombies.) The way to deal with this dangerous darling is to never get involved with her to begin with, no matter how beautiful she may be. Walk away from her the way you’d walk away from a losing crap table in a Vegas casino. Yes, if you’re an advanced student, you could use “The System” to play with her head, give her a taste of her own medicine, and get her to give you some respect. But here’s the problem. You won’t be able to change the essentially corrupt nature of her character, and you’d ultimately have to dump her anyway. You’d be much better off spending your time and energy courting a woman who is sweet and loving and giving. Duncan, it sounds as if you may have had and experience in the past of playing the Queen Bee’s chump. But this time around, thanks to “The System,” you did the right thing. As they say in Australia - Good on ya! Men, let Duncan’s savvy handling of this situation be an inspiration to you all. Remember, guys: if you don’t play with the Queen Bee, you can’t get stung. Is the American Woman Brainwashed? Hi Doc, One thing I've noticed since I've started using your System is that most women would rather be right than happy. I work in a small office with a lot of married women. My social life often comes up as a topic of discussion because I go on a lot of dates (still looking for the girl with the right attitude). It’s interesting how the women I work with have developed a "How dare he!" attitude towards me whenever I use a method I learned from you. After a good first date, the next day I am always asked when I plan to call again. "In about a week", I tell them, which always infuriates these women. They call me a "Game player" or just plain old mean. Yeah, it's real mean to buy a girl dinner, make her laugh, and walk her to her door like a gentleman. They tell me I HAVE to call her in a day or so and tell her what a good time I had and how I can't wait to see her again. When I refuse, they lose it. I get responses like "How is she gonna know if you like her?" My favorite answer to that is "Why in the world would I be taking her out, if I didn't like her?" Ironic how it’s girls who will go out with a guy that they have no interest in, but in their minds it’s the guy who must let the woman know how he feels about her from the start. I watch time and time again as my female officemates give advice to the other two single guys in the office. When that advice inevitably blows up in those guy’s faces, the women never EVER take responsibility for screwing things up for the poor saps. But hey, I have to say that those guys deserve what they get for it for asking a woman for advice about another woman. When I try to help these guys out, the women say "Don't listen to him, he hates women! He hates marriage!" Well if I'm such a rotten guy and they are so happy in their marriages, then why are they so interested in my social life? I never mention that I am using your System. They would crucify me if they knew that. But I can't understand why they are so offended by what I do. I tell them that I am waiting a week to call to make myself more mysterious and intriguing to the girls I date. Well, my female office mates simply will not have it. They think that I am doing these things simply for the glorification of my own ego or as some sort of punishment to all women. They refuse to acknowledge that these things would make THEM happy in their marriages if their husbands had the guts. I asked the one single girl at the office if a guy did all the things that I do, would it make her more interested in him. She said, get this, "Well yeah... but that doesn't mean he should do it." SAY WWHHATTT!!!!! Has the "empowerment" of women really blinded them so much? Have Madonna and Oprah made it so important for a women to be in control that a guy is not allowed to do whatever it takes to make a girl like him more? Simply put: It’s their own fault that they can't find a gentleman. They fall for these cheeseball guys who throw corny line after corny line at them, like those loser dorks on "Friends". Then when the actions of these guys do not measure up to their sappy words, these women get heart broken and become more guarded and vow "Never to let a man control them again!!!" Women in this country need to be re-educated more than ever! They need to take a look in the mirror and say, "There's nothing wrong with a man being a man." Only problem is, who's gonna tell them this, Oprah? Colin – who wants your input on this topic Hey Colin, The answer to your question is: Yes. As goofy as it might sound to some, it’s absolutely true that Oprah and Madonna have trained womenfolk to make being in control such a high priority that a guy, in their eyes, is not allowed to do whatever it takes to make a girl like him more. For a man to do anything as such is considered not only politically incorrect but politically illegal. (Although this Orwellian standard seems to apply only to the male gender.) Apparently, it’s perfectly fine for women to have their dozens and dozens of monthly magazines with covers touting articles such as: "Seven Secret Strategies to Make Him Fall Hopelessly in Love With You" and "Love Spells - Advice from a White Witch Shows You How to Have Him Wrapped Around Your Little Finger In No Time." But if a man employs any strategy other than "Just be totally open and honest" to win a woman’s heart, then he’s a game-playing, deceitful, manipulative, womanizing, user-abuser who can’t be blamed and shamed enough. (And I thought the women’s movement was supposed to be about equality!) You, Colin, have been unfairly exposed to intense criticism in your work place for sharing that you deliberately do things to make the girls that you date, see you as more of a Challenge. But the flak that you’ve encountered would pale in comparison to what you’d experience if you were to share what you shared, with a TV studio filled full of female Oprah–ites. Can you imagine the venom that would be spewed at you if you revealed, on camera, that you always waited a week to call a girl back after your first date with her? I mean they would be crying out to lynch you right then and there. And here’s the absurd thing. Those women have no comprehension that they want and need a man who uses "The System." You see, Colin, women are incredibly intuitive, so much more than men are, and yet amazingly, a majority of them are in ignorance and denial about what motivates them in love. Most of Oprah’s audience would dispute the value of Challenge and debate you on its efficacy till their last dying breath. Yet those very same women, would and will give their hearts to a man who embodies Challenge. Pretty weird, huh? And as you mentioned, Colin, many, many women have been burned romantically due to their own poor choices. (Remember, everyone, it’s women, not men, who do the choosing in relationships.) They’ve chosen the selfish jerks, the flowery flatterers, the vapid pretty boys and the B.S.ing braggarts over the less glittery good guys with heart and soul. So they’re bitter, and they keep their hearts shut down as a way of protecting themselves. And when a woman is bitter, the idea of a man doing anything to empower himself in the courtship process is very threatening. So the truth is that many women would simply rather remain pissed off at men than be happy. They’re addicted to being in control and yet they secretly yearn for a man of integrity who will take control and keep them guessing for awhile. Their ticket out of this kind of no-win situation is to have the good fortune to date a man who is a serious student of "The System." That would be a consciousness and heart expanding experience that could woo the most bitter beauty, tame the most shrewish shrew and melt the heart of the queen of the Amazons. (Yes, even Madonna.) As far as your work situation goes, here’s my advice to you Colin. You’ve shared enough about your dating strategies with the women in your office. It can be entertaining and educational to observe the responses of various females to Doc Love’s controversial dating strategies, as long as you’re willing to take the heat that goes along with it. But, as you’ve already surmised, if you were to share further details about "The System" with your female co-workers, they would, indeed "go ballistic" on you. And why get yourself embroiled in conflict and controversy at your workplace? So next time they get in your face, just tell them what they want to hear, then smile and walk away. You don’t need any more negativity from them. Remember, guys: the key to women is Challenge, in spite of what everyone says. Star Wimps: Is Director George Lucas Training Youn Men to be Wussies? Hi Doc, I wanted to talk about something you're very right about – the media brainwashing of men in the area of romance. Here’s a blatant example: I was watching Star Wars-Episode II on DVD recently. In this movie, the Jedi character, Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) and Senator Padme’ Amidala (Natalie Portman) fall in love. But the way the film portrayed their courtship was, frankly, embarrassing. This guy poured out every insecurity, vulnerability and longing he had right in front of her face. "My soul is in torment because of you;" "I've been thinking of you everyday for 10 years;" "I cannot live without you!” I mean this was some sickeningly sappy stuff. Doc, it was excruciating to watch. Tough Jedi knight becomes p-whipped wimp in front of the most beautiful woman in the Galaxy. And worse, this method of courtship seemed, in this movie, to work like a charm. She falls straight into his arms, swooning! Does this guy have even a remote concept of Self-Control, or Challenge, which are the REAL guy qualities? Everyone else watching the film with me thought it was soooo romantic and heart warming. I sat there doing everything I could do to keep from upchucking! Since this is a Sci- Fi film, a disproportionately large amount of men would see this film, one of the top grossing films ever. And how many men, especially young guys and teenagers, would get the impression that "tough" Jedi's ways of courting the girl is a great one? And might they try and repeat this with girls they like? After all, if it works for the cool Jedi Knight, it's got to work for them! So, guys, don't listen to what the media says - they have no idea how proper relationships work, only idealized fantasies. Here's hoping that this brainwashing comes to an end soon, and “The System” gets to all guys everywhere in this and other Galaxies. Dennis - who wants to warn his fellow warriors Hi Dennis, Yeah man. I watched “Star Wars – Episode II, Attack of the Clones” and I really enjoyed a lot the action scenes, but I agree with you. The romantic part of the story was not only vapid and embarrassingly stupid, but it was also filled with dangerous and destructive messages for men. To you Psych majors, it sucked. If you had seen the film prior to having an understanding of “The System”, Dennis, you probably wouldn’t have thought twice about the dysfunctional courtship style of the movie’s hero. Without having a reference point for the truth, the misleading subliminal messages would have sunk directly into your subconscious, sending you further down the road towards rejection and confusion in your love life. Fortunately, you had already awakened from the spell of media dis-information, and you were able to see things objectively. It’s discouraging to see this kind of pablum so shamelessly perpetrated upon the unsuspecting masses. But take heart, Dennis, in the fact that the lack of credibility in the romantic aspects of the film did not go unnoticed in the press. The film’s failings in this regard were so awesomely blatant that even the mainstream media took notice. Many film critics commented that Hayden Christensen was woefully miscast as the romantic lead, that there was an utter lack of chemistry between him and Natalie Portman and that their intimate dialogue was horribly mundane and cliched. So, you see, Dennis, all is not lost. If it gets bad enough, people (at least some people) will say, “Hey wait a minute, we don’t buy this, it’s not entertaining and it insults our intelligence!” Still, I must point out that this ridiculous style of whining and begging as a method for successful courtship by the male lead in films is all too common. One of the most destructive relationship myths perpetrated by moviemakers over the past several decades is this: if you pour your guts out, she’ll fall in love with you. Confess your lovesick infatuation with her, tell her how you simply cannot live without her and she’ll be so impressed and flattered that her Interest Level will magically rise to match yours. Unfortunately, when a real man in the real world employs these strategies with a real woman, he comes out the loser, not the winner of her heart. The sad thing is that there’s no good reason on God’s green earth why the entire story of “Attack of the Clones” couldn’t have been deeply inspiring and enlightening. It’s supposed to be about a Hero’s Journey of empowerment, conquering evil and winning the heart of the most beautiful, awe-inspiring woman in the Galaxy. What an incredible opportunity George Lucas wasted, not only to entertain but also to teach and inspire young men. All that technology, all that talent and all that money, and they can’t come up with a credible, compelling story and a male lead who commands our respect. It boggles the mind! Wouldn’t it have been wonderful if they actually had given the male dominated hordes of Sci-Fi fans a real Hero as a role model? Hopefully they’ll learn from their mistakes, but don’t count on it. Remember, guys: kissing up only works in Hollywood. What are the Top 5 "First Date" Blunders that Men Make? Dear Doc, I’ve been reading your column for awhile now and it’s made me much more aware of when a guy whom I’m dating is doing the right thing and when he’s blowing it. Hopefully you won’t label me as “stuck up” when I tell you that I am a very attractive woman and I have absolutely no shortage of men who want to take me out. Since I broke up with my last boyfriend over a year and a half ago I’ve been dating quite frequently. I go out on a date about twice a week on the average. (If I accepted all the proposals I get in an average week, I’d be going out on a date every single night. But like most women, I’m very choosy. I have to tell you that It’s very tough to find a guy who is a true gentleman and also a Challenge, as you say. I’ve had dozens and dozens of experiences where I’m initially quite attracted to and interested in a guy. I may even be very excited by the potential that I see with him. But by the end of the first date, and I’m not talking about the third or fourth date. No, I mean after one date the guy has taken himself out of the running in one way or another. Over and over again this happens, and I’m not being unreasonable. These guys really need your “System.” Last week I went out with a hunky handsome professional athlete who at first seemed to be quite charming. But halfway into dinner he started telling about what a “bitch” his ex girlfriend was. When he asked me if I wanted to take a drive with him up the coast the following weekend, I told him that I couldn’t because I had a previous engagement. He didn’t have a clue that he did something to kill my Interest Level. Two nights ago I went out with a commercial pilot, a very confident and manly man. He was also quite articulate and had fascinating stories to tell about his world travels. But when he put his hand on my knee for the third time, I was ready to cry out, “Check please!” So, Doc, I appreciate all that you’re doing to help men learn how to conduct themselves. I think that most of these guys that I’m encountering are basically good guys. All they need is some training. I’m starting to send them to you whenever they’ll listen. Maybe someday soon I’ll find myself on a date with one of your students. That would be heavenly. Thanks for all your insights. Harriet – who is frustrated but hopeful Dear Harriet, It is a jungle out there in the dating world, and both men and women must proceed through it with caution. Some of the dangerous creatures that men encounter in that jungle are the professional daters, the gold diggers, the time wasting flirters, the spoiled princesses and the ball busting feministas with a chip on their shoulders. A sampling of the creepy creatures that women encounter in the Dating Jungle are the overly anxious, panting puppy dog, the misogynistic macho boy, the BS spewing braggart and the Wimpus Americanus. Anyone who dates a lot, male or female, will ultimately encounter the full cast of characters; and Harriet, it sounds as if you’ve probably met up with most of them. What I appreciate about your letter is your earnestness. You’ve taken the time to write and share about your experiences so that everyone’s awareness might be raised. So, look, guys, and I’m talking mainly to you newer readers who have yet to study and use “The System.” You’ve got a lot of serious self examination and character building to do. Or, as they say in the Navy, “It’s time to shape up or ship out!”Time’s a wasting. There are tons and tons of great women out there who are dying to have high interest in you. You’ve just got to stop sabotaging the airliner of love before it gets off the ground. I’m going to make it real simple for you new recruits. Here are the top 5 things that you should never do on a first date. If you just get these first essential 5 and you never learn anything else, you’ll be way ahead of the pack. (For a comprehensive list see “The System.”) Do not touch your date. Don’t grab her knee. Don’t try to hold her hand. Don’t squeeze her shoulder and don’t put your arm around her. Men mistakenly think that if they initiate touching that it will somehow “prime the pump” and it will make the woman want to touch them. The opposite is true. The more you put your hands on her the more it inhibits her. The wise man holds back and lets the woman do all the touching, if she is so inspired. The only way you can get a clear “read” is if you wait and watch without trying to manipulate her Interest Level. Do not talk about other women. Don’t talk about your ex-wives or ex- girlfriends. Don’t talk about your wonderful platonic buddy “Sally” who is your jogging partner. Think about it. It’s always a turnoff when a woman starts telling you things about some other guy in her life. We don’t want to hear about him! Keep the romantic potential of your first date high by keeping the subject of other women out of the conversation. Do not brag. Women have heard it all and they’ve heard it all a thousand times. Every time you start overselling yourself, you become less attractive. Let her slowly discover what a great guy you are. Rather than seeking approval and trying to impress her, allow her to experience you as an enigmatic Mystery Man whom she can’t quite figure out. That will raise her Interest Level in a way that hearing from you about your various athletic or monetary accomplishments never will. Keep the conversation light and positive. So often, men, without thinking and without even knowing what they’re doing, lead the conversation into heavy, negative topics. There is no constructive reason for doing this! It’s a bummer. It’s a bring down. It’s not romantic! Let’s not talk about terrorism or the SARS epidemic or what a jerk your boss is. Don’t recount the details of your last painful breakup. Lay off the heavy subjects! Do not talk about sex. Women are sick to death of hearing about it. Every other guy talks about it, but you’re not going to. You’re going to be different. You’re not going to try to impress her with what a sexy, sexual guy you are. You’re not going to drop hints and make innuendoes in an attempt to signal to her that you’re the greatest lover in the metropolitan Cleveland area. No. You’re going to remain cool and classy. When you talk about sex on a first date, you attack her comfort level and why the hell would you want to do that? All right men. There you have it. Now go out and field test these recommendations on your next few dates and report back to me. Remember, guys: if you do what’s right, she can’t get rid of you. Why would any Woman Choose a "Doughboy" over Mr. Buff? Dear, Doc, I am a very attractive, intelligent man with a sleek, sexy body that I enjoy flaunting at the gym. I must admit that I enjoy getting female attention and compliments without exerting any effort. Please help me understand something, however. Sometimes I see a couple at the gym. Now the woman is a babe, but the guy she is with is a lump, what women call a "doughboy." I love the challenge of diverting the woman's attention away from her doughboy. But why would a woman with great looks stay with a lumpy guy with no elegance or obvious sexual appeal. Is she non-sexual herself? Is she insecure? Or is she intimidated by male beauty and plays it safe? You would wonder why a woman who admires her looks and works out would want to risk having dumpy looking kids! Sometimes I have engaged myself in scintillating flirting sessions with such a woman while her man is somewhere else. I always start to feel sorry for the guy when that happens. In one extreme (but rare) situation, a girl necked with me on the airplane for two hours during a night flight, and then upon arrival introduced me to her husband. I would certainly consider pursuing such a woman from an attraction standpoint, but if she has the capacity to be disloyal like that, then I would rather not bother. Bart – who would like you to comment. Hi Bart, Well, you’ve presented some interesting questions, but first I have to take you to task. Something about you seems a bit off kilter, namely: when you say you enjoy “flaunting” your body, you sound like a chick. If I were to lookup the definition of “narcissist” in the dictionary I know I’d find something like this: 1) A person who is excessively fascinated with his or her own appearance. 2) That guy named Bart. Dude, you seem to be quite taken with yourself. But your preoccupation with your looks is clouding your vision. You say you love the “challenge” of diverting a hot looking woman’s attention away from her “doughboy.” Let me ask you, Bart. Is there any reason for such a sleazy move, other than for your own ego gratification? Your concept of the proper way to relate to your fellow human beings is rather, shall we say, immature and uncaring. This is where your mind goes when you’re around your gym mates, getting off on trying to sabotage other people’s relationships? You’d be better off spending your time either taking your workout seriously, or at least hitting on women who aren’t attached. I’m not done yet. Let me give you a quote from one of the best selling books in history: “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” Or, as my acupuncturist Dr. Lao would say, “This kind of action make much bad Karma!” Why do these women choose a guy who isn’t buff like someone such as yourself? Well, Bart, although to you, looks are everything, to a lot of people they’re not. They’re only part of the equation. What you fail to see is that that Mr. Pie Man with the babe has other qualities that outweigh his lack of physical attractiveness. He may be incredibly talented and funny and fun to be with. Maybe he’s extra confident with super high self-esteem and his woman finds those qualities more irresistible than anything. Maybe he’s the best lover she’s ever had. And you know, just because a woman is super hot looking it doesn’t mean that she’s also super intelligent. Maybe Mr. Lumpy is extra brainy and she looks up to him because she has the brains of a ping pong ball. Maybe she’s in love and isn’t thinking that her kids will turn out lumpy too but rather that they’ll have his brains and her own good looks. Or, possibly, he’s her father figure and he makes her feel safe and secure, and to feel that way is her highest priority. A less noble reason that a woman might be with a flabby guy is that she could be a mercenary who is just using him for his money and she cheats on him with guys she meets on airplanes. Or, she could be insecure or intimidated by male beauty, two things that you mentioned, Bart, and that would put her in the low self-esteem category. The Bottom Line Factor says that is that there are a variety of reasons why any one woman might be with a particular guy. You never know until you give her the intensive, comprehensive interview. But before I finish, Bart, let me mention that you should keep in mind that it’s not inconceivable that your perfect body will one day no longer be so perfect and you’ll find yourself wishing that you had found a woman who doesn’t make physical appearance her highest priority. Take that idea as a jawbreaker and suck on it for awhile. And if you don’t want to wind up in a relationship with a woman who would be disloyal to you, then don’t go around enabling women who have tendencies to be disloyal. To you Psych majors, what goes around comes around. Remember, guys: looks might get it going but personality and attitude keep it going. Top Ten Questions to Ask Your Date Hello Doc, I’ve received great benefit from your advice about how to deal with women when they start interrogating you, which of course they often do. Over the past few years I’ve been out with several different women who would pry and probe with very personal questions, even on the first date. I used to get so intimidated by them when they’d start in on me like that, but your coaching has changed the whole paradigm for me. Thank you doc! I’m writing hoping that you could share more about dealing with this from the other side of the equation. Is it ever a good idea for a man to give his date an intensive quiz of some type? And what would be the crucial things that he should ask her? Are there direct questions that a guy could ask a girl to quickly and easily pre-qualify her, so to speak, and determine if she’s a gold digger or a high-maintenance nut case or a professional dater? Jerry – who would like a list of questions Hi Jerry, Too often, men allow themselves to be pressured and intimidated by women’s confrontational questions. They get flustered and often find themselves putting their foot in their mouth before they know what’s happened. But rather than take the beating, you can take charge. Your date may be coming on like a determined district attorney who will settle only for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but that doesn’t mean, guys, that you have to succumb like a guilty school boy. There are a couple different ways to take control. One is to deflect and redirect the focus of the conversation by using humor. She asks you, “So, have you ever been married?” and you say, “Yes I have. In fact, I’m married now. I have six wives, but I could use one more. Would you like to be number seven? If we leave right now we could be in Vegas in about six hours.” Another way to deal with the inquisitional pressure is to take the direct approach and fire the probing and provocative inquiries right back at her. She asks you, “So what’s the longest relationship you’ve ever had?” and you say, “Six years, seven months and two and two thirds weeks. How about you? What was your longest relationship?” Here is a list of the Top Ten questions you can ask your date which will keep her on her toes and also garner you some very useful information. Just, remember. Do not always accept the first answer you get to each of these questions. Often, the truth will only be revealed after you ask more intensive follow up questions to the original. So, don’t be in a hurry to get to the next question on the list. As they say down on the farm, “You’ve got to milk it!” Also, keep in mind that all women by nature are inquisitive. A woman who is in touch with her femininity and who has a high level of interest in a man will ask him personal questions about himself. She’ll want to draw him out. That’s a good thing. You want her to be curious about you. But you don’t want her to be pressuring you. So it’s important to learn the distinction between when a woman is being curious versus confrontational. (Often it’s the tone she uses when she asks a particular question that let’s you know which is which.) Save the heaviest and most serious questions on this list (6-10) for those times when your date is being confrontational. Questions 1-5 can be used when she starts asking you provocative questions about relationships but still isn’t trying to put you in the hot seat. And here’s another important point about communication between the sexes. Women are generally much better listeners than men are. A lot of you guys need to improve your listening skills. As on overall policy, you should be asking your date interesting meaningful questions about herself, questions that you genuinely want to know the answer to. One of the biggest complaints that women have about men is that they go on and on about themselves and hardly ask a date anything about herself. And one last caveat. HANDLE WITH CARE! Don’t ask any of these questions unless you are also prepared to answer the same or similar ones yourself. The Questions: What do you think is the biggest mistake that men tend to make in relationships? (This will tell you a lot about what turns her off and also about her attitude towards men in general.) Do you think that men tend to be too macho or too sensitive? What are the qualities of your ideal relationship? Have you ever gone out with a guy who was a Challenge? (Have her describe how he was a Challenge and how she responded to it.) What’s the most important thing that men don’t understand about women that they should? Have you ever had your heart broken? (The more beautiful she is, the more likely the answer will be no. It’s actually better if the answer yes. A girl who’s had her heart broken has some humility.) What scares you the most about opening your heart to a man? Were you usually the dumper or the dumpee in your past breakups? Do you feel you’ve ever had a truly successful relationship? Why did you’re last relationship fail? (Does she take any responsibility or is it all his fault?) Remember, guys: when she puts the pressure on, you’ve got to fire back. Should You Ever Give a Woman Everything She Wants? Dear Doc Love, My boyfriend and I have been together for almost two years. He’s a great guy, very loving, respectful and affectionate and and he’s funnier than Jim Carey. He has also been a longtime practitioner of “The System” since before we met and can frequently be found sharing Doc Love'isms with guys who are struggling to make and keep a love connection. So I'm pretty familiar with your philosophy and am writing to share an insight about one of its principles. "Women love a Challenge" seems to be at the heart of your love advice, and with that in mind, you advise men to refrain from expressions of praise or love in the early stages of a relationship. I agree, to a large degree. If a man who has only known me for a short time rhapsodizes about my beauty and professes his undying love, I feel like I'm being conned. He obviously hasn't known me long enough to truly love and appreciate me. But once a relationship moves beyond dating into committed, long-term status, the dynamics on how and what to verbalize to a woman change BIG TIME. This is the crux of what I'd like to pass onto your readers who are interested in KEEPING the woman they may have initially attracted. So listen up guys. What I'm about to share is actually a revelation for me as well. Because, guess what? You aren't alone in feeling you don't understand women. We women are often just as mystified about our needs as you are. It's taken me many years to fathom the primal wants of my womanhood. Here is a simple truth I've discovered about women that, if practiced, will keep the romance alive and well for many years to come: Women respond very powerfully to sincere, specific verbal expressions of love, appreciation and desire. Why? Because women tend to be REFLECTIVE. Whatever you focus on and express to her, she will mirror back to you and become more of. For instance, the more you see her special beauty, appreciate it and express it to her, the more beautiful she will become. The more you appreciate and express how sexy and desirable she is, the more passionate and desirable she will become. The more you acknowledge her special qualities, the more those qualities will magnify and bless your life. When you SPEAK your appreciation to a woman, it becomes more real and alive to her. The way to a woman's heart may very well be through her EARS! And also her skin. CONNECT with her when you are speaking. Rather than a peck on the cheek and a quick "love you" as you walk out the door, hold her and look into her eyes when you say “I Love You.” Also, be SPECIFIC. Tell her how you love the curve of her hips, how her waist feels under your hands, how lovely she looks in blue. And one last tip: The written word carries extra voltage for a woman. Most women I know would rather receive a page of love poetry written by her man, or a card with a paragraph of hand written appreciation than she would a diamond necklace. In short, verbally EXPRESS your love, (in addition to all the wonderful ways that you already DEMONSTRATE love), with sincerity, sensuality and specificity, and you will have a glowing, giving goddess gracing your life. Caprice – who loves sweet nothings Hi Caprice, Great letter. And congratulations, you have the good fortune to be in a relationship with a man who religiously practices “The System.” A man who is confident, takes charge, gives you plenty of affection and keeps you laughing to boot. A real man who is neither a wimp nor a macho boy. Most women have to compromise when they pick a partner. They have to choose between a guy who is either strong but has little or no sensitivity OR, a guy who is sensitive and affectionate but is lacking testosterone. But because you’re in a relationship with one of my boys, you get the best of both worlds. Lucky you! Since you’ve taken the time and effort to write to me about a woman’s need for verbal acknowledgement, it must be an issue for you in your own relationship, Caprice. Your boyfriend believes in Challenge so strongly because he knows that it was a major factor in his successfully capturing your heart. Understandably, he is probably thinking, “Why should I become less of a Challenge by getting all mushy? Being a Challenge is what got me to where I am today: in a relationship with an incredible woman.” But, as a student of “The System”, he should also know that in order to keep you over the long haul, he must provide you with respect, affection and romance. Apparently you’re getting plenty of affection and respect from him, but not the exact form of romance that you require in order to be deliriously happy in your relationship. Your guy needs to gain a better understanding of what romance means to you. It sounds to me as if he is consistently demonstrating his love for you with his actions but he might be deficient in the verbal expression department. If he’s hasn’t been, he should be complimenting you and verbally acknowledging you on a regular basis, just as you should be doing the same for him. He should be surprising you with thoughtful little love notes or poems every once in a while. (As long as he does those kinds of things for you less often than you do them for him. If he started doing them for you more often than you do them for him, then he wouldn’t be a Challenge and your Interest Level in him would begin to diminish. On the other hand, If he’s never doing any of that for you, then he’s not following “The System” completely.) And as far as the “I love you’s” go, your man should be periodically telling you that he loves you. A woman does need to hear those words from her man. It’s an essential part of the romantic experience. But once again, he should be saying that to you less often than you say it to him. And, he certainly should never be parroting it back to you whenever you say it to him. That’s not romantic! Overall, your boyfriend, Caprice, must keep in mind that a man should never give a woman EVERYTHING she wants because doing that will leave her with nothing else to discover, nothing to chase, no mystery. If you don’t believe what I’m saying just ask the average divorced guy why his wife left him and he’ll tell you, “I don’t know what happened, I gave her everything she asked for!” So you see Caprice, in one sense, it’s good that you’re slightly frustrated. The challenge for your man is to find that perfect balance between giving and holding back so that you are feeling cherished and adored and yet still not COMPLETELY fulfilled. Even though this might not make sense to you, (as you mentioned, women have difficulty understanding themselves) this is what’s going to keep your Interest Level sky high over the long haul. Words are powerful and romantic words, when used with discretion, can certainly enhance intimacy. The key is to never use flowery or sensual verbiage to try to raise a woman’s Interest Level. Use it only when her Interest Level is already off the charts. Then your words become a love offering rather than an appeal for approval. Remember, guys: there’s a reason why women swoon over “the strong silent type.” Dating Tips for Divorced Dads Hi Doc, I live in Chicago where I work as a mortgage broker. I’m 35 years old. I’ve been divorced for only about 6 months now and I have full custody of our 6-year-old daughter. (Her mother went off the deep end and is now in a residential drug rehabilitation program … for the third time around.) Now that I’ve gotten past a lot of the pain and disappointment over the failure of my marriage I’m ready to start dating again. Also, fortunately I’ve finally found a baby sitter that I can trust, so I’ll be able to go out for an entire evening and not have to be checking in every hour. My problem is that it’s been almost eight years since I last went out on a date, and I don’t have a lot of confidence in my skills with women. I feel like it would be so easy for me to wind up doing something stupid. The idea of going out somewhere with the specific purpose of meeting women seems rather daunting at this point. But my buddy told me that you are ‘Da Man’ when it comes to dating. So do you have any helpful hints for a divorced dad who’s just starting to date again? Thanks, Garth – who needs coaching Hi Garth, Sorry to hear about your ex-wife. Your unfortunate experience with matrimony should remind all mankind of the importance of fully and accurately evaluating the character of any potential mate prior to tying that knot that’s not so easily untied. To you psych, majors, after you say I do, it’s too late. I understand your trepidation about getting back in the dating game. As far as dating goes, you’ve been in suspended animation for almost a decade, dude. Yes, you’ve been out of the proverbial loop, Garth, and we need to give you some basic training so that you don’t get creamed out there. Starting from square one, as you are, It’s pretty darned easy to end up having your cojones handed to you on a platter before you even know what’s happened. Yes, It’s a jungle out there, Garth, but I’m going to give you a map to find your way through it and emerge not only unscathed but triumphant. That map is called “The System.” So get it and study it diligently. In the meantime, here are some ideas for you. There’s absolutely no reason to throw yourself directly into the lion’s den by going out to bars and clubs to try to meet women. To succeed in those kinds of environments you really have to be on your game, and I think it would just be too awkward and stressful for you. But, Internet dating would be perfect for you. Every month, more and more people are joining Internet dating services. Men used to far outnumber women on those sites, but in the last couple of years, things have really shifted. One of the most popular dating sites has become so successful that they’re now running clever, big budget ads on prime-time television, making Internet dating even more popular and socially acceptable. Internet dating is easy and convenient. You can check out hundreds of potential candidates while you sit in your favorite chair in the comfort of your home. And here are a couple of quick Internet dating tips: Never write more than four e-mails back and forth before you ‘close’ for an in person meeting with the woman you’re communicating with. And don’t spend any more time than thirty minutes with any woman on your first ‘meet for coffee’ date. If the two of you aren’t hitting it off, spending a half an hour is just long enough to make you look as if you’re not eager to get the hell out of there, even if you are. If the two of you are really clicking and you know that you’d like to meet her again, when you bow out gracefully after half an hour, you’ll be a real Challenge in her eyes, and you will be laying the groundwork for her to fall for you. There is something else that divorced Dad’s in particular should keep in mind when they are out on a date. Whether it’s the first informal coffee meeting or the tenth date, the number one most important rule is this: Do not under any circumstances talk about your ex wife. Divorced dads have a terrible habit of pouring their guts out about how their ex did them wrong and how it’s affected the children and how their capacity to trust has been lost etc. etc. etc. Doing this only makes you look like a resentful loser who doesn’t know how to have a good relationship. So even if your date demonstrates great concern and curiosity about what you might have been through in your past relationships, you must steer the conversation elsewhere, regardless of how much you may be comforted and encouraged by the fact that someone is offering a sympathetic ear. If you need someone to listen to you while you recount the painful episodes of your failed marriage, go hire a therapist, or, if you’re on a budget, a priest or a rabbi will do the trick. Whenever you’re out on with a date, keep the conversation positive and upbeat. When you’re back home after having had a successful meeting with one of your new relationship candidates, the moments that you will savor and look back on with fondness will be the ones where you kept it light and fun. Remember, guys: the less she knows about you, the more curious she will be about you. Broken Date Excuses: How do You Know if She's Being Honest Hi Doc, I need your advice. Two weeks ago I met this girl “Dusty” while we were both waiting in a long line at the bank. She was chewing gum so I said to her, “You chew gum really well!” She cracked up at that. The conversation flowed easily from that point. I kept it light and positive as you suggest and got her phone number just before the teller looked at me and said. “Next in line.” This all happened in less than ten minutes. Pretty good, huh? Since I’ve been seriously studying and practicing “The System” over the last three months, I’ve gotten really comfortable and confident with your ‘closing’ process. When I asked Dusty for her phone number, she eagerly wrote it down for me before I could even get my pen out of my pocket; and she also said, “I’ll be out of town for a few days, but I’ll be back home on Sunday by 7:00 or so.” (Sounds like really high Interest Level so far, wouldn’t you say, Doc?) I called her on Monday. (I figured I’d be more of a Challenge if I waited an extra day). She seemed excited to hear from me, and I made a date to pick her up on Thursday night for dinner and dancing at this new club downtown. Then, on Wednesday night, the night before our date, just as I was about to hit the sack right around 10:30, she calls. She said that had gone jogging in the park the night before and had gotten caught in the rain and got chilled and was now is starting to feel like she was getting a bad cold. She said that she waited until the “last minute” to call me to see if taking lots of vitamin C and herbs would nip it in the bud but that she was now actually feeling worse. She said she knew that she just wouldn’t be in any condition to go out let alone go dancing and that she was also afraid that I might catch something from her and that she didn’t want to make me sick. She sounded really sorry and disappointed and said that she “definitely” wanted to “reschedule” as soon as she’s out of the woods so to speak. I said that I was sorry that she wasn’t feeling well and that we should talk when she’s feeling better. So what do you think, Doc? Is she on the up and up, and how do you think I should handle this? Reed – who wants to know what you think Hi Reed, First, let me compliment you for being so bold and resourceful. That ‘gum chewing’ line was great. Very creative. You took something that was going on in the immediate environment and parlayed it into a ‘funny.’ Learning to think on your feet like that is part of what it takes to become what I call a Three-Percenter. (One of the 3% of guys who have true mastery with women.) You could have said the same thing to a different woman, and she would have given you the cold shoulder; but your miss “Dusty” liked your wit and that’s all that counts. You took the shot, and you hit the bullseye. You made a connection with and got a viable home phone number from a woman who was a complete stranger. Not an easy thing to do. Great work. And, yes, I do concur with your initial analysis that this gal was demonstrating a high level of interest in you. Why do I say that? When she reached for a pen before you could even locate yours, that was significant. But the strongest positve flag she revealed was that she gave you a very specific time to call her so that you would be able to reach her easily. To you psych majors, women help you when they like you. In spite of all that, it was still a smart move on your part to not call her on the exact day and time that she suggested. If you call precisely when a woman suggests after you first meet her, it’s to easy to come off as obedient and boring. While you waited that extra day to call, Reed, Dusty’s Interest Level in you was rising because you added in an extra sprinkle of that magical mystery dust: Challenge. Now lets get to the meat of the matter. Is she really sick OR as they do at Burger King, is she trying to sell you a whopper? Short of stalking her or sending a medical team over to examine her, we can’t know for certain one way or another. But due to the strength of her initial buying signals, we’re going to give her two things: the benefit of the doubt and another chance. At the same time, just to let her know that you didn’t buy her excuse 100% and that you know that she might have made the whole thing up, we’re going to add extra time before we call her and make another date. The idea is to wait beyond the time that she would realistically be over her cold, at least two weeks. (If she gets better quickly and is chompin’ at the bit to go out with you, she can always pick up the phone.) If you call her too soon, Reed, you’ll be indirectly telling her that it’s all right to jerk you around. So for now, put her on the back burner and keep getting more phone numbers. You’ve obviously got the level of confidence required. Go get em’ Tiger! Remember, guys: you don’t know what’s what until you get past 60 days with her. Don't Let Her "Dis" you Hello Doc, Early this month I had a date of which I really don’t know what to think. This girl, Renee, had been giving me very strong buying signals, so I got her number. Eight days later I called, asked her out for Saturday (weekdays were unavailable to me), and she responded enthusiastically, and even laid bare her schedule that day! (Most girls give me evasive doublespeak.) She offered an evening date, but I set up a time for early afternoon instead. She showed up with Prussian precision to a convenient meeting place, and we had a fun chat. My dad told me, “The less said the better,” so I kept the conversation on fun topics such as things that would interest us both. She seemed smart, fun, and good-natured, as well as pretty. Afterwards, we went to see a performance at the music school nearby. That’s when things got weird. After we sat down, Renee got a girlfriend of hers to join us, and she basically tuned me out. I acted as if I didn’t care what she did and kept my attention on the performance. At the reception, she continued to ignore me and to joke around with her girlfriend. They both were even talking and flirting with other guys! I served myself some refreshments and talked to other people, even though this was really bothering me. When I was ready to go, I told her I was going we teased each other a bit, and then I gave her a hug and then left. I figured she must have low Interest Level and was a Professional Dater, even though the date cost me zilch. I can’t imagine that a girl would have high Interest Level in a guy and do what she did. On the other hand, a week later, I bumped into her girlfriend and another guy from her class and kidded around with the girlfriend. As I left, the guy kind of grumbled at me, “Renee says hi.” I’m guessing this would suggest high Interest Level. I wouldn’t expect a girl to get a guy to tell me hello for her if she wasn’t interested in me! This was at the end of the last semester, and now it’s Spring break. I don’t know if I should dump her. On the other hand, a little voice in my head was going, “This is a test.” What do you think? Wayne –– who wants to know if he’s being tested Hi, Wayne, Ok. Let’s go over this. When you first asked this girl out you should have made it for Sunday rather than Saturday. In a woman’s mind, there is a huge difference between those two days. Saturday is the day that you reserve for your number one gal, either your girlfriend or the girl who’s got the top position in your roster. Women know that. So when you’re first getting to know a girl and you ask her out for a Saturday, you are letting her know that you’ve got no other prospects. Not good. This is something you’ll want to handle properly with the next woman. You also should have told her that you would pick her up at her home for the date rather than meeting her. If she had insisted that you meet her somewhere and didn’t want you to come to her home, then you could have screened her out immediately, before this wild goose chase ever got started. To you psych majors, girls with low Interest Level don’t want you to know where they live. By the way, you’re lucky to have a dad who knows at least a thing or two about women. I like what he told you about “The less said the better.” It’s a rare father who actually passes on any meaningful wisdom to his son about women. Now, even though this girl exhibited some initial strong buying signals, she disqualified herself as a candidate for “Girlfriend of Wayne” when she pulled that little stunt with her gal pal and then started flirting with other guys. The audacity! She about as classy and courteous as a bouncer at a biker bar. There are a few different ways you could have handled the situation,Wayne. One option would have been to follow the philosophy that says: once your date starts disrespecting you (and rubbing it in your face as Renee did), you leave. Over and out. You could have simply said, (facetiously) “Thanks for the fun date,” and then exited and left her there baffled and bewildered. To have done that would have been entirely appropriate. Or, option two: right then and there you could have started talking to her girlfriend and dominating the conversation, all the while ONLY talking to her girlfriend and ignoring her. That would also have sent a strong message. Option three: once she started running her number, you could have immediately started hustling other women and gotten their phone numbers whilst skillfully positioning yourself so that Renee saw you. Unfortunately, after she pulled all this crap, you gave her a hug, which sanctioned her rude behavior. “ Dis me, and you’ll get a hug” was the message you gave her. All right, let’s tie it all up here. I agree with you. Women test men, constantly and relentlessly. But when that guy, a third party, told you that “Renee” says hi”, that meant …. zip. As Judge Judy would tell you, “It’s hearsay.” We don’t know if that guy was telling the truth or not. We don’t know if your date really said that or not. But even if she did, it’s no basis for pursuing further contact with her. She’s OUT, forever, and “Good riddance I say.” So, Wayne, here’s your report card for your recent field trip assignment in Doc Love’s Training School. You did great when you waited eight days to call this gal. You were right on the money when you kept the conversation light and positive. But when she threw a curve ball at you, you lost your focus. That’s ok. You’re still learning “The System” and I don’t expect you to have figured this all out in the heat of battle. Continue studying and keep in mind that each one is practice for the next one, until you find THE ONE. Remember, guys: if a girl doesn’t treat you right on a first date, there’s no reason to have a second date with her. What Do I Say After She Turns Me Down? Hi Doc, I work out in a gym that is loaded with hot chicks. I let them eye me first and I don’t stare at them. Of course I learned this technique from you. I notice other guys trying to get close to them by saying dumb things, but I keep my mouth shut. There’s a drop dead gorgeous woman I see a there a lot who is married, and I kid with her. I let her know from the beginning that I was not coming on with her, so she feels real comfortable with me and we talk frequently. The fun thing is that I notice the other women in the place stare when I make her laugh. (Like you say Doc, keep ‘em laughin’.) I know that some of them have become curious about me. You can almost hear what they’re thinking: “Hmm, what’s the story with that guy? That woman who seems to be so charmed by him sure is beautiful.” In fact, there’s this other fox there named Kristen who had initiated a conversation with me after she saw me making the married gal laugh. I wasn’t sure if she was just being friendly or if she had any romantic interest in me. So, as you recommend, when the timing was right I ‘closed’ her to find out where I stood with her. Here’s how it went down: Me [Smiling]: "So, Kristen, What's your home phone number?" Kristen: "Why?" Me.” [Smiling, turning to leave] "It's been a pleasure talking to you Kristen. See you next time.” (I knew from what you’ve taught me that when a girl gives me an answer like that instead of her phone number that I’ve already gone down in flames.) Kristen: "I can't date you because I have a boyfriend. But, like, we could hang out. I don't have a lot of friends..." I just didn't know how to respond to that. But I’d like to have a great comeback for when and if a girl says something like that to me again. I feel like maybe I blew it somehow. If I’d had a better comeback maybe I’d have gotten her number. So, Doc, any hints or tips about this particular scenario would be greatly appreciated. Chad - who wants to know what he, should have said back to her Hey Chad, First of all, realize that the most important thing is not whether you got her home phone number or not. The most important thing is that you ASKED for it. As they say in sales, you ‘asked for the order’. That’s what counts. So many guys just don’t have the sense of commitment or the courage to ask a girl point blank for her home phone number. But you did it, Chad, and you did it in a calm, confident, self-assured manner. You didn’t beg like a Teddy Bear Guy when you asked and you didn’t act pissed off like an out - of - control Macho Boy when she turned you down. So you get an “A” from the Doc on this one. Congrats! Also realize that once a woman makes it clear that she has no romantic interest in you by giving you some kind of smoke-screen-type answer, then there’s essentially nothing you can do in that instant to suddenly raise her Interest Level. As my cousin Fast “Eddie” Love would say, “If her feelings are below the 50 yard line, you’re outta' there!” But, Chad, in a situation like that, you CAN confidently throw in a clever zinger that will raise her level of RESPECT for you when she does her - “saying ‘NO’ without really saying ‘NO’ routine.” To you Psych majors, you’ve got to go out smokin’. When you asked her for her phone number and she said “Why?” you could have said, “Because I want to show you all the fun that you’ve been missing out on.” When she said, “I can’t date you because I have a boyfriend” you could have said, with a twinkle in your eye, “What if I send him on an all- expenses-paid vacation to Miami Beach for two weeks? Will you go out with me then?” Or, “You know you dominate him, and you’re bored, so why are you still with him?” When she said, “But, like, we could hang out, I don’t have a lot of friends,” you could have said, “As soon as you get rid of your boyfriend I’ll be happy to be your friend.” Or, “Why is it that people don’t want to get close to you?” That one would be guaranteed to twist her head around. But, Chad, I don’t want you to be obsessing on what you could have or should have done. You did great because, as I said, you asked for the order. Just keep studying and practicing. And keep closing when you know that the timing is right. Remember, guys, without respect from a woman you have nothing. Are Some Women Hypocrites in the Dating Game? Dear Doc, After studying your “System” over the past four months, I’ve come to realize, thankfully, how lost and confused I’ve been. I feel like the character, Neo, that Keanu Reeves played in the movie “The Matrix.” He had no idea that he was living in a trance-induced false reality until Morpheus showed him what the truth was. You, Doc, are my Morpheus. I used to buy whatever women told me. I wanted so badly to be liked by them. I felt like I was always on the defensive and I would do whatever they wanted me to do to try to prove that I was a “good guy.” But as I look back now with my vision de-fogged, it’s obvious that trying to be nice never got me anywhere as far as true romance goes. Even the dating advice I was getting from my well meaning female friends was misleading and contradictory. I’d follow their advice and then experience only more rejection from the women I was dating. Now I’m seeing the light, and as the light shines more brightly a lot of anger is coming up inside of me. There’s so much hypocrisy out there! Women complain about men who never call, but those same women regularly give out their phone numbers to men whom they have no intention of ever going out with. Women say they want to be treated as equals yet they expect the man to always be the one to put his ego on the line and risk rejection. They whine and moan about how they want a guy who is “emotionally available” and who is “in touch with his feelings” yet they consistently fall for the selfish jerks who never express any genuine tender feelings. I know that all of this is no news to you, Doc. I just wanted you to know how much I appreciate your reality-based, non-politically correct advice. You’ve catalyzed a profound awakening in my awareness. The next step for me is to get past all this resentment and find a sweet, loving woman who I have mutual high Interest with. In the meantime, Doc, I was hoping maybe that you could give me a quick pep talk to help me deal with this anger and resentment. I figure that it’s probably just a stage that a lot of guys go through when they first start to wake up, so I’m sure you have dealt with this problem before. Any encouragement you can give me would be very much appreciated. Richard – who is really pissed off Hey Richard, As they say in the 12-step programs, you’ve been in denial, dude, and denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. Yes, my brother, you are becoming de-programmed and the process can be quite unsettling at first. Just realize that it’s completely normal and natural to feel a lot of anger and resentment at this point in your journey to Mastery. And as strange as it might sound, I encourage you to not resist your anger. That’s right. I want you to welcome it, all of it. Your anger and resentment are going to motivate you to stay disciplined and committed to doing the right thing and never getting seduced back into your old self-destructive habits. At the same time, you need to understand that you can’t blame women for all the frustration that you had been experiencing. You’ve got to take responsibility for your own experience. There was no law that mandated: YOU MUST OBEY THE INSTRUCTIONS OF ALL FEMALES. You didn’t have to buy into the big lie. You had a choice. So you’re probably angry at yourself as well being angry at the entire female species. That’s OK. All right. Onward and upward to a brighter tomorrow. Let’s just quickly review and analyze your major gripes. In case you haven’t totally gotten it by now, Richard, let me emphasize that, for a man, seeking dating advice from ‘well meaning’ female friends is, as Shakespeare would say, “a fool’s errand.” Men tend to think that if they consult a female ally for dating advice that they’re getting valuable, helpful information. Unfortunately, most of the time, the exact opposite is true. The classic scenario comes to mind of the guy describing to his gal pal how he is in love with a woman whom he’s been out with four or five times and how he doesn’t know what to do to find out where he stands with her. The gal pal says, “Oh, you’ve got to tell her how you feel. What are you afraid of? Tell her how you feel about her!” So the guy follows his female buddy’s suggestion, and then of course his potential soul mate’s Interest Level in him plummets. Then he wonders what the hell happened. What happened was that he mistakenly believed that when it comes to love and romance, women understand their own motivations. They don’t. And yes, Richard, wouldn’t it be a wonderful brave new world if women started sharing equally in the risk of rejection involved in the dating process? Well, guess what? It ain’t gonna happen. The way it is is the way nature designed it to be. The male is the initiator. The female holds the rejection card. (She has the veto power.) That’s the way it is and that’s the way it’s going to be 100 years from now. So step up to the plate, Richard, and learn to love it. Once you gain more confidence in using my strategies and principles, you will become a lot more comfortable with the process. I’m glad that you now understand that 99% of the time, when a woman says “I don’t give out my number, but give me yours and I’ll call you.” that that’s a steaming pile of B.S. But once again, that’s just what a lot of women do. That’s reality. And when you argue with reality you always lose, but only 100% of the time. And of course women do frequently choose jerks over the nice guys. But the woman who has the character traits that you want in a mate will want a guy who’s tough and strong and who’s also genuinely sensitive and soulful on the inside. Your job is to just become the best man that you can be. Then you will magnetize a quality woman into your life. So, Richard, don’t take all the apparent female hypocrisy personally. It’s just part of their social programming. The way that the game is set up. How do you deal with all of it? As my acupuncturist, Dr. Lao, would say, “The happy man, Grasshopper, lets the cold water roll off his back like a duck” Remember, guys: don’t take women personally My Date has Histronic/Narcissistic Personality Disorder! Hi Doc, Recently, after I had a few dates with a very attractive woman, she began appearing to me as unusually self-centered and inconsiderate yet weirdly clingy and coming across as though our relationship was MUCH more intimate than it actually was. She kissed me on the first date and did almost everything else correctly, sometimes too correctly, but I kept noticing odd things about her attitude. I started wondering if there was a clinical diagnosis for the tendencies that she was exhibiting. So I did a web search using these keywords: "self-centered, inconsiderate personality" just to see what would come up. The results blew me away. I discovered that this girl had "Histrionic/Narcissistic Personality Disorder" She met all five of the criteria for the disorder: 1) Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) 2) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love - believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 3) Requires excessive admiration - has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations. 4) Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends - lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. 5) Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her - shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes When I related these symptoms to some of my buddies, they observed that "this sounds like every woman in the world". It would certainly describe most beautiful women. You see Doc? Here’s scientific data supporting your idea that “The Beautiful Woman is the most dangerous creature on the planet.” Another site gave hints and tips on how to deal with someone in your life who has this disorder, and here's the kicker: In many ways your "System" mirrored the tips given on that psychology site and perfectly describe the best way to deal with someone who has Narcissistic Personality Disorder! I just thought that you’d enjoy knowing that the scientific/psychology community validates your principles and strategies. Pretty interesting don’t ya think Doc? Ray - who wants to know how you would call it Hey Ray, Let me commend you on the fruitful fact finding mission you’ve completed. Good work. You’ve come up with some very interesting info. As you know, I’m no psychiatrist. I got a “D” in my psychology class at Fresno State. But I was always interested in understanding why a woman chooses to stay with one man versus another. The way I found the answer to that question was by pounding the pavement and interviewing over 10,000 women over a couple of decades. This is how “The System” was born. In the course of my exhaustive research, I learned a lot of things that I never learned in books. And besides my earth shaking discovery of the principles of Challenge and Interest Level, there’s another thing I discovered: Any woman can have a problem personality, but the more beautiful a woman is, the more likely she is to be a spoiled, self centered high-maintenance head case. As my Uncle Jethro Love would say, “It’s the lookers who are all the trouble.” Fortunately, there are beautiful women out there who are loving and giving and are also clinically sane. My job, as your relationship coach, is to help you weed out the loonies from the lovelies before you say “I do.” Or as the Bible says, to “separate the wheat from the chaff” But before we get to Doc Love’s prescription for the week, allow me to rant for a moment. America has the know-how to crack the DNA code but we don’t have the smarts to make a dent in our 50% divorce rate. In over thirty years the numbers haven’t budged! But, one way that men as a gender could make a difference in these disheartening statistics would be to adopt a healthy selection criterion when choosing a mate. Men are generally not objective, nor are they discriminating when it comes to affairs of the heart. To you Psych majors, they leap before they look. But men can learn to play it smart and thereby increase their chances of success in the game of love. The idea is that if any particular babe that you’re dating has any or all of the destructive character traits on that list, Ray, then you want to determine that as soon as possible, before you get in too deep, (either emotionally, financially or even just in terms of time spent.) So while you are with her during her initial probationary couple of months, you must look for what I call “Flags.” Flags, in this context, are subtle or sometimes not so subtle, telltale signs that your date is a self-absorbed user who does not qualify as a long term relationship material. Here are some of the most common flags that you will see: ONE: She fails to exhibit any genuine curiosity about you, your life and what’s important to you. For example, while you’re sharing about your passion for helping save whales, you can feel how she’s preoccupied and just waiting for you to finish talking so she can tell you more about her. TWO: She constantly name drops and brags about her professional accomplishments. You know the type. She’s convinced that she going to be famous and soon and she wants you to know all about it. THREE: She’s treats service people as sub-human. When you’re out having dinner together, she orders your waiter around the way the cruel stepsisters did with Cinderella. (Always observe how she treats the hired help. It will tell you a lot about her character.) FOUR: She keeps asking probing questions, attempting to determine how much money you make. One of my students recently told me how his date, on their second night out together, asked him: “So what’s the most expensive gift you’ve ever given a woman?” The Narcissistic woman always has a hidden agenda, along with a severe deficiency in the integrity department. The problem is that most men don’t pick up on these things because their own high Interest Level blinds them to reality. Remember, guys: you’ve got to be on the lookout for those flags. The Top Rated Places to Meet Women Dear Doc, Your coaching has really helped me transform my past Wimpus Americanus personality more towards being a gentleman. Though I have made too many mistakes that scared off some terrific women, I have put those behind me and have moved onto better adventures. Here's some key advice for other guys who are working on getting their psyche toward becoming a gentleman. It is important that newly transformed gentlemen avoid meeting women in situations where there is too much competition. If there is too much competition, a gentleman's confidence will take a hit unless he savors a difficult challenge. Here are, in my opinion, the four BEST places to meet women with virtually NO competition. 1) Volunteer Activities: Every volunteer activity I have participated in for the past five months has always been 90 percent women and 10 percent men. A woman's interest level will rise when she sees a guy volunteering his time for others. 2) Singles Cruises: I've been on three singles cruises, and the ratio has always been 75% women and 25% men. All the women I've talked to complained that most of the men they meet on single’s cruises are either too soft and polite or are egomaniacal jerks. So, being a gentlemen and a Challenge will attract more women than any guy could shake off. 3) Any aerobics class in athletic clubs, especially the advanced classes. The ratio has always been about 90 percent women and 10 percent men. Most times I was the ONLY guy in the class, at least here in the Midwest. But here is an important tip: Do NOT take a spot in the front two rows. Most women are "territorial" in aerobics classes. If a gentleman takes a woman's favorite workout spot in an aerobics class, that is Taboo. Also the front two rows are reserved for the "inner circle" group that is like a high school clique. YIKES! These women are rarely givers and are takers with a capital T. Usually the center left or center right of class is the best location to work out and all the women I've met in these locations have all three key characteristics you say to look for (integrity, flexibility and giving). 4) Wine tasting clubs: The ratio has always been 75 percent women and 25 percent men. And as you can imagine, it’s incredibly easy to meet and talk to any woman in this kind of situation. Hope you and your readers find this helpful. Thank you again for all your advice and coaching. Johnny – who wants to help his fellow men Hi Johnny, Thanks. My readers can definitely benefit from the research that you’ve done out there in the trenches. If you’re a single man and you want to find a mate, one thing is for certain. You ain’t gonna meet anyone sitting at home glued to your computer terminal indulging your addiction to SimCity 4. That’s right, guy. How are you ever going to find the woman of your dreams if you lie there sprawled on the couch night after night eating cheese nachos and watching reruns of The Howard Stern Show? You’ve got to get up off your gluteus maximus, Dude, shower and shave and head out there into the real world where the real women are. Trolling for babes is always work to a greater or lesser degree, but what I want you guys to do is to work smart not hard. Johnny has some great points here. Why beat your head against the wall trying to meet women at bars and nightclubs where men outnumber women, the women have all their defenses up and you can’t hear each other talk anyway? Why go anywhere to meet women where the odds are stacked against you? Better to go places where you’ve got much more than a just a fighting chance. In fact, why not put yourself in environments where meeting women is as easy as finding hay in a haystack. Then, within the parameters of places that are sure fire and user-friendly, find, what they refer to in the in the record business as; “your groove.” By that I mean, the particular places and situations where you can easily meet women and where you also feel relaxed, confident, comfortable and true to your own interests. For example, Yoga classes are a great place to meet women where the odds are stacked in your favor, but you may hate the idea of having to contort yourself into the shape of a pretzel on the chance that you might meet your soul mate. So don’t be a martyr. Find a different venue that’s overstocked with females, like a Latin dance class for instance, where you can meet babes and enjoy yourself at the same time. Now, Johnny, let’s go over your list. Volunteer Activities. This is, indeed, a great place to meet women. Not only will females outnumber males, but here you will also find women with character and integrity who are true givers. To you Psych majors, Gold Diggers don’t do volunteer work. Singles Cruises. In this environment, of course, you will need to suspend the ‘wait a week before you call and ask her out strategy’. But you can still work Challenge by lying low for the first night. Then take every Buying Signal that you get from any girl that you’re interested in as an opportunity to close, close close. (We’re working in a limited time frame here.) The idea is that in this specialized situation, you go on ahead and go for it physically, but verbally, as always, you hold back and remain a Challenge. Aerobics Classes. Two things: As difficult as it may be to do, look only into the eyes of the women you meet there and do not look at their bodies. (You’ll be the first guy who ever did that.) And, don’t try to strike up conversations with any of the women there. Just keep showing up for every class and be cool. Once you get your time in, the ones who have interest in you will approach YOU. Wine Tasting Clubs. The women you meet her will be more intellectual, classy and cultured than the average female that you’d meet in a bar. (That’s a good thing unless you go for the more earthy type.) And, as you pointed out, Johnny, the conversation will be flowing as freely as the wine. Remember, guys: always work efficiently not hard. Special Classroom Dating Strategies Hello, I just wanted to say thank you for what “The System” has done for me. I've only had the program for a couple of months and I'm still learning, but I'm already noticing some definite changes, not only in the way women are reacting to me, but more importantly in the way I'm acting towards women. I say this as a recovering "nice guy," at least with the girls I really liked. After learning about your principles, I discovered that I behaved differently with girls that I didn't feel as strongly for and that that’s why they were so much more into me. Common sense, yes, but it's amazing what you can overlook in your own behavior. Anyway, I have a quick question. I'm a college student; and while your dating strategies are readily applicable to girls I meet in most circumstances, I can't quite get my head around how to apply it to girls I meet in class. How do I go about approaching a girl in that situation? The standard rules of meeting, talking, getting the digits, and leaving first don't really apply, nor does waiting a week to call. If I get her number in class, even if it's the last day of class that week, I will probably see her again a couple of days later. And I don't think it would be effective to avoid/ignore her in class, then call her up and act like I hadn't seen her. Could you please throw me a bone Doc? Thanks again. Rocky – who needs specialized coaching for guys in college Hi, Rocky As you know, I always instruct you guys to ask for the home phone number of any girl you’ve just met and are interested in. No hesitation. No apologies. This is done as a test of the woman’s Interest Level in you. It’s done to demonstrate to her that you are a confident guy who means business. It’s done to impress her with your directness. And…it’s also done because, in most cases, you will never see her again if you don’t get her number before you part company with her. But, the classroom environment does present a specialized situation where we can creatively modify the ‘closing’ process. A particular woman whom you meet in your history class, for instance, might possibly drop the class or drop out of school entirely before you get her number if you fail to act quickly. But odds are that that won’t happen. Let’s assume, for educational purposes, that 99% of the attendees of a particular class will make it through the entire semester. That means that for all intents and purposes, you have what a Marine Drill Instructor has in his group of recruits: a captive audience. And when you have a captive audience, you should use the situation to your advantage, or as they say on the hip-hop dance floor, “You got to work it, Baby!” So, Rocky, let’s say that there are a couple of different babes in your philosophy class that you have the hots for. Don’t hit on them. Don’t come on to them. Don’t even talk to them. Instead, do all you can to be highly visible in the class. Ask really intelligent and interesting questions and, if you have a knack for it, make clever, humorous comments that make the whole class crack up. Soon, every girl in the class will be impressed by you and also curious about you. To you Psych majors, you gotta stand out. As the power of your persona gains momentum and magnetism, everyone will want to know you better. Then, using your popularity, take every opportunity you have, before and after class, to make sure that the two girls that you like see how much the other girls in the class love to talk and laugh with you. All the while, continue to ignore the two that you’re hot for. This will really make you Mr. Interesting in their eyes. If you follow this plan of action to the best of your abilities, one or both of the girls that you’re interested in should approach you and initiate interaction with you within a few weeks or less. Once one of them demonstrates some authentic interest in you and gives you some obvious Buying Signals, then close her for her home phone number. Also make sure to end the conversation first and move on. Either go and talk with some other girl or take a seat or leave the room if class is over. Yes, Rocky, you still leave first, whatever form of ‘leaving’ you can create in that environment. You will then, as always, wait a week, Rocky, before you call your love interest and ask her out. As my cousin Sal “The Fish” Love would say, “All the idiots call within 48 hours.” Now here’s a powerful concept to shatter all your fear and confusion about seeing her again before you call her. It is simply this: when you run into her again, before you’ve called her, don’t put ANY pressure on yourself to excuse your lack of communication. Relax. Chill out. Be cool. Don’t get all antsy and embarrassed. Realize that any discomfort you feel is self-inflicted. It’s totally ok if she sees you again before you call her. Let her see you four or five times before you call. No big deal. Don’t be afraid that she’s going to think that you’ve rejected her. Why not? Because if she does think that, then it’s only going to raise her Interest Level and make her extra co-operative when you do call her and ask her out. And once again, when you finally do call, make no excuses or explanations. Just make a date and then get off the phone. Badda bing badda boom. And here’s another thought to help you appreciate why waiting a week to call is the right thing to do, even though you may run into her more than once in the interim. You can be certain that no other fellow has ever played it so cool with her and this will work to your advantage. She’ll be thinking, “Gee, every other guy from my classes that I’ve given my number to has called me the next day. What’s this Rocky guy’s story? Hmm, I’m intrigued. I think I’ll have to raise my Interest Level in him.” As for the other gal that you’re working on, if the weeks keep going by and she just doesn’t make a move to connect with you, then go on ahead and take the initiative. The idea, Rocky, is that in this specialized situation, you bide your time and give her an abundance of opportunities to close you, but you most ultimately do the closing if she doesn’t. Remember, guys: always ask for the home phone number and always wait a week to call.